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Pain Threshold

The ‘Pain Threshold’ concept was made popular by Christian Soto and Matt Berkey. It’s based on the idea that there is a bet or raise size below which calls are common, but above which we are likely to obtain mostly folds. The threshold itself is therefore dependent on the opponent, and requires them to be at least somewhat elastic with their ranges. The idea is most commonly used preflop, although in principle it can be applied on every street.

Recall that elastic calling ranges are dependent on the size of the bet or raise.

Here’s a typical scenario. A player to your right frequently limps into the pot preflop. When you make your standard isolation raise to 5bb, the player always calls. So you start increasing your raise size until the opponent regularly folds. The raise size at which the transition from limp-calls to limp-folds occurs is the pain threshold for this particular opponent.

Here are Matt Berkey and Christian Soto with an example of the concept from a single hand, followed by a discussion of how to employ the pain threshold within a broader strategic framework. There are several key ideas crammed into this video, so don’t hesitate to view it twice if the material doesn’t sink in the first time!

Here’s a postflop application. You are the preflop raiser and flop a draw which you c-bet. The turn card does not improve your hand. If barreling the turn for half-pot would result in your opponent continuing often, but going 1.2x-pot would result in them folding too frequently, why not consider the 1.2x-pot bet?

Always remember that pain thresholds vary from player to player, sometimes considerably. Some players refuse to give any bet size action without top-pair+ on turns and rivers. Against such opponents, your bluffs can create pain (resulting in them folding too often) even if you use relatively small bets.

Keep this concept in mind going through the rest of this sub-course, particularly in the context of isolation raises preflop, 3-betting, 4-betting, and even open raising. Understanding how different opponents will react to different sizes will help you craft a better bet-sizing strategy, thereby keeping you in control and them out of their comfort zone.


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  • John Valentine

    How do you find these ranges used by a winning pro player?

    • Kat Martin

      Default to CORE Level 1, then potentially expand as you absorb the subsequent material.

      • abourash

        Postflop, does this concept apply to draws?

        • abourash

          *only to draws. What I mean is that could this be used with 2 overs to the board?

          • Kat Martin

            Can you give a specific hand example? I’m not clear what “this concept” in this context means. I suspect the answer is “no,” simply because with two overcards we are “drawing” to one pair which is easily beat, whereas when we take an aggressive line with a more natural draw we’re drawing to a big hand including the nuts.

          • OddzManOut

            Its my pain threhold I am worried about to be honest. The part of me that says why in the . World would I bet larger or even at all, when, as mentioned above the turn didn’t improve my hand.Think I need anlittle more imfo

          • Kat Martin

            If your hand remains essentially a semi-bluff on the turn, the question to ask in this context is “does my opponent want to call a large bet here?” If the answer is “probably not,” your reason for betting is to win the pot with the likely worse hand.

  • Spiler

    Why would we want to make fold a limper ?
    We know our hand is better against its too loose range of limp and we know we’ll be better postflop, so we prefer to make him call right ?

  • tmMcr80

    Great stuff. I think the only cautionary tale from the video is that although I don’t necessarily disagree with them, imo for a beginner to poker it’s not a bad thing to focus on TAG (especially if you’re moving on from fishy loose passive)as your starting point but just as you evolve your game know that there are new avenues and skills of a more lag intent to work towards, and also I think the live/online factor may be a little more divisive/polarised with these concepts personally

    • Kat Martin

      Agreed, I think this video best applies to those who have gained some experience and confidence with aggressive lines.

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